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Topic Started: Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM (11,681 Views)
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Way too low overall after Freeza Saga. I would never think of putting Cell Games Goku any less than 3 billion.
And sometimes I think it's highly likely that base saiyans surpass 100% Freeza by the Buu Saga at the absolute latest.
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Good up until the end of Frieza in my opinion. The powers are too scale, but I find that the androids are all too low. After that, everyone stays pretty low
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Raditz: 1,200
Saibamen = 1200, and they only rival Raditz; he should be higher
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Piccolo,(Special Beam Cannon) [2nd Try]: 1,485
2nd try was anime only
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Piccolo,: 3,500
Piccolo should be under Gohan's Masenko
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Gohan: 981 Gohan,angry: 3,000
981 was suppressed Gohan, enraged was a bit higher than 2800 only (actually, the Masenko was 2800)
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Nappa: 4,000
Should be a lot closer to Goku than this. I wouldn't go lower than 7000, and even that might be pushin it..
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Vegeta,Oozaru: 180,000 Vegeta lost a lot of chi making the fake moon; he should be way lower than 180,000 upon transforming
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Gohan: 14,000 Krillin: 13,000
They're not this strong until Guru's unlocking thing
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Cui: 19,000 18,000
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Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 Not possible. He was a little lower than zenkai'd Vegeta, who was only close to 30,000, 30,000 at the max if you wanna push it
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Vegeta: 30,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 Again, should be slightly lower than 30k
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Krillin,after Guru’s power up: 19,000 If they were this high, then the "over 10,000" statement would've been an exaggeration. Also, Gohan's enraged power was only a little higher than 20,000. He can't be getting only around 1.06x stronger with a rage boost
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Gohan, after Guru’s power up: 24,000 Too high..
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Vegeta Powerd Up 35,000 Shouldn't be any higher than 30k
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Jeice: 50,000 Burter: 45,000 Recoome: 40,000 Jeice is too close to 60,000; a PL of 60,000 was supposed to make Jeice look like a total joke, just like it did Recoome. Jeice shouldn't be so far ahead
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Frieza,form 2: 1,000,000 1,000,000+
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Piccolo ( fused with nail without weghits) 1,000,000 Piccolo was arguably superior IMO..he was above Freeza by a bit, then Freeza was ahead by a bit after raising speed, and then Piccolo removes his weights which should put him higher again
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Vegeta,after Dende’s heal: 2,500,000 Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000 Vegeta has to be higher than 3rd for Freeza, who you have at 2.5 mil as well, if he expects to face form 4 Freeza
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Frieza, 50% of full power: 60,000,000 Frieza, full power: 120,000,000 Goku: 3,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x10: 30,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x20: 60,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
First off, Freeza should be a little higher than Base Goku initially. Secondly, Freeza is waaay weaker than SSj Goku according to this which can't be true. Heck, your gap between Vegeta and Goku is smaller than your gap between Freeza and Goku (1.2x as opposed to 1.25x).
Your Freeza Saga PLs are way too low overall, as well. Like Vegeta being on par with Form 3 Freeza? That's a no-no. Don't feel the need to be so restricted to using the Daiz levels man.
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Piccolo 175,000,000
Piccolo should be much higher than this...you have him on par with Trunks from before, which shouldn't be the case as his power is a shocker for everyone, and he's likely above sick Goku
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Andriod 20 pre absorption 120,000,000 Andriod 20 post absorption 160,000,000 Andriod 19 pre absorption 90,000,000 Andriod 19 post absorption 140,000,000
19 pre shouldn't be so much lower than Freeza, and 19 post should be a little higher than Trunks from 3 years ago. 20 should of course be higher, in turn.
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Goku ssj 300,000,000 Trunks ssj 260,000,000 Vegeta ssj 375,000,000 Andriod 17,400,000,000 Andriod 18 400,000,000
17 is above 18, and the gap between the androids and Vegeta is FAR too small. Vegeta was helpless against an 18 who wasn't even trying.
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Piccolo with weights 300,000,00 Impercet cell: 290,000,000 Piccolo without weghits 350,000,000
All 3 should be far stronger than Trunks, Vegeta, and Goku
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Impercet cell post absorption 500,000,000 Andriod 16 500,000,000
Piccolo used the Light Grenade on Cell, which should have at least a similar amplification as the Special Beam Cannon if not higher. SBC was like 3.2x or something, so Light Grenade should be at least 3.5x. Cell tanked that.
Cell >>> Light Grenade > 3.2x Piccolo >>>> Piccolo.
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Ssj vegeta 500,000,000 Assj vegeta 1,500,000,000 Too big of an increase. Remember, ASSj is ditched later on for normal SSj as normal SSj is the best balance-wise....that wouldn't be the case if ASSj was so much stronger
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Vegeta final flash 2,000,000,000 Your final flash amplifier is tiny. It should be the same as Light Grenade, though most likely much higher
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Ussj trunks 1,800,000,000 USSj should have a far bigger boost than ASSj [/color]
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Base goku 12,000,000 Base gohan 9,000,000 Mssj goku suppressed 1,800,000,000 Mssj gohan suppressed 1,350,000,000 Gohan > Goku, and I just realized that you have an increasing SSj multiplier. Why?
I'll just stop here. Your levels need some work. They're far too low, especially given later implications, and you tried too hard to stay true to the Daiz PLs. I like the effort, but again, needs more work.
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sayain saga
~Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo~ Raditz: 1,200 Piccolo w/weighted clothing: 320 Piccolo w/o weighted clothing: 408 Piccolo, (Special Beam Cannon) [1st Try]: 1,330 Piccolo,(Special Beam Cannon) [2nd Try]: 1,485 Goku w/weighted clothing: 330 Goku w/o weighted clothing: 416 Goku, Kamehameha: 924 Gohan: 710 Gohan,Angry: 1,307 ~After Battle~ Master Roshi: 139 Krillin: 206 Tien: 250 Yamcha: 177 Chaotzu: 145 ~Arrival of Vegeta and Nappa~ Saibamen: 1,200 Yamcha: 1,480
Krillin 1,750 Tien: 1,830 Chaotzu :610 Piccolo,: 3,500 Gohan: 981 Gohan,angry: 3,000
~Arrival of Goku~ Goku: 5,000 Goku,powered up: 8,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken: 16,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken times 3: 24,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken times 4: 32,000 Nappa: 4,000 Vegeta: 16,000 Vegeta,powered up: 18,000 Vegeta,Gallet Gun: 35,000 Vegeta,Oozaru: 180,000
Frieza Saga ~Gohan and Krillin vs Frieza's Henchmen~ Gohan: 14,000 Krillin: 13,000 Henchmen: 1,000 ~Vegeta vs Cui~ Vegeta: 24,000 Cui: 19,000 ~Vegeta vs Dodoria~ Vegeta: 24,000 Dodoria: 21,000 ~Vegeta vs Zarbon (Round 1)~ Vegeta: 24,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 ~Vegeta vs Zarbon (Round 2)~ Vegeta: 30,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 ~Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta vs The Ginyu Force~ Krillin,after Guru’s power up: 19,000 Gohan, after Guru’s power up: 24,000 Vegeta: 30,000 Vegeta Powerd Up 35,000 Guldo: 10,000 Recoome: 40,000 ~Goku vs Ginyu Force~ Goku: 90,000 Goku: Kaioken for Ginyu fight: 180,000 Jeice: 50,000 Burter: 45,000 Recoome: 40,000 Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Ginyu,in Goku's body: 23,000 Vegeta: 60,000 ~Nail vs Frieza~ Nail: 42,000 Freezer: 530,000 ~Vegeta vs Freezer (1st Fight)~ Vegeta full power: 420,000 Frieza: 530,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,000,000 ~Piccolo vs Frieza~
Piccolo (after fusing with Nail): 800,000 Piccolo ( fused with nail without weghits) 1,000,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,000,000 Frieza,form 3: 2,500,000 ~Vegeta vs Frieza (2nd Fight)~ Vegeta,after Dende’s heal: 2,500,000 Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000
batle on king kai planet Tien 60,000 yamcha 50,000 chaotzu 13,000
~Goku vs Frieza~ Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000 Frieza, 50% of full power: 60,000,000 Frieza, full power: 120,000,000 Goku: 3,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x10: 30,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x20: 60,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
Trunks arrival
Cybrog frizea 155,000,000 King cold 130,000,000 Base trunks 3,500,000, Ssj trunks 175,000,000 Piccolo 2,000,000 Vegeta 3,000,000 Tien 800,000 Krillain 500,000 Yamaha 400,000 Chaotzu 100,000 Goku 4,000,000 Ssj goku 200,000,000
3 years later
Goku 6,000,000 Trunks 5,200,000 Vegeta 7,500,000 Tien 3,000,000 Krillain 1,500,000 Yamcha ,1,000,000 Chaoztu : 500,000 Piccolo 175,000,000 Andriod 20 pre absorption 120,000,000 Andriod 20 post absorption 160,000,000 Andriod 19 pre absorption 90,000,000 Andriod 19 post absorption 140,000,000 Goku ssj 300,000,000 Trunks ssj 260,000,000 Vegeta ssj 375,000,000 Andriod 17,400,000,000 Andriod 18 400,000,000
Piccolo fused with kami
Piccolo with weights 300,000,00 Impercet cell: 290,000,000 Piccolo without weghits 350,000,000 Piccolo full power up 400,000,000 Andriod 17 400,000,00 Andriod 18 400,000,00 Impercet cell post absorption 500,000,000 Andriod 16 500,000,000
Semi perfect cell
Semi perfect cell 900,000,000 Tien tri beam 600,000,000 Base vegeta 10,000,000 Ssj vegeta 500,000,000 Assj vegeta 1,500,000,000 Base trunks 9,000,000 Ssj trunks 450,000,000 Assj trunks 1.375,000,000
Perfect cell
Ascended vegeta 1,500,000,000 Perfect cell suppressed 1,800,000,000 Vegeta final flash 2,000,000,000 Ussj trunks 1,800,000,000 Base goku 12,000,000 Base gohan 9,000,000 Mssj goku suppressed 1,800,000,000 Mssj gohan suppressed 1,350,000,000
Cell games
Piccolo: 1,600,000,000 Tien 5,000,000 Krillin 3,000,000 Yamcha 2,000,000 Choaztu 1,000,000 Base trunks 11,000,000 Ssj trunks 550,000,000 Assj trunks 1,650,000,000 Base vegeta 12,000,000 Ssj vegeta 600,000,000 Assj vegeta 1,800,000,000 Mssj goku full power up 2,400,000,000 Perfect cell powerd up 2,400,000,000 Mssj gohan full power up 1,800,000,000 tired mssj goku 1,800,000,000 Cell jr 2,400,000,000 Ssj2 gohan 3,600,000,000 Cell full power 3,000,000,000 Bulky full power Cell 3,500,000,000 Super perfect cell 3,500,000,000 Super perfect Cell kamehameha 4,000,000,000 Ssj2 Gohan kamehameha 3,000,000,000 Ssj2 Gohan full power kamehameha 5,000,000,000 -Piccolo can't be 3500.Nappa took him down with one blow.Besides,he stated that Enraged Gohan>Him.So,he's less than 3000.I'd say 2500. -Cui would be better at 18.000.He said that Vegeta was supposed to be equal to him,and,right after that,the reading went to 19.000. -Zarbon is at 21.000,at most,considering the beating he took from Vegeta. -Why do you have Kuririn and Gohan at Ginyu Force at 19 and 24 k?They were stated to be over 10 k,which means they were a little over that.If they had the numbers you say,they would be stated to be close to 20 k. -Jeice and Burter are too high,considering the beating they took from Goku of 60 k supression.Lower them to Recoome's level. -Vegeta was pretty close to Frieza's 530 k.Raise him to 500 k. -Piccolo with weights was even with Frieza's second form.Of course,it is possible that Frieza's statement about his initial supression at 2nd form being 1 mil was a bluff,since Vegeta says so.Therefore,your estimation here is not necessarily wrong. -Vegeta post zenkai must be higher than Frieza's 3rd form,since he was sure he could win. -I think the gap between SSJ F.Trunks/Mecha Frieza should be higher,since Trunks was sure he could beat easily both Frieza and Cold,at the same time. -The gap between F.Trunks/Yardrat Goku is too small.Goku finger blocked Trunkses sword attack. -The gap between Goku/Vegeta at Androids Saga is too big. -Piccolo dominated 20 post.Their gap can't be that low. -Piccolo's light grenade isn't necessarily stronger than 3,5x special beam cannon,since it requires less time to be charged.But,it's definitely stronger than 2x demon flash.Yet,Imperfect Cell didn't even budge.I have Imperfect Cell post humans at 5x Piccolo. -Semi Cell less than 2x Sixteen?He took a punch on the face from Sixteen and it was like nothing happened.And Semi Cell wasn't even at full power at that point. -How can Perfect Cell supressed be only 20% stronger than Vegeta?He took a kick on the neck like nothing.He must be at least 2x Vegeta. -Vegeta's final flash must be >>Perfect Cell.If it was only slightly above,as you have it,it wouldn't have destroyed Cell's body. -USSJ Trunks is stated to be stronger than Perfect Cell supressed,by a wide margin.Yet,you have them equal. -You have humans at Cell Games 2x stronger than at Androids Saga.Seriously,how did they get such a boost in two weeks,without rosat or anything special? -SSJ Gohan was both stated to be stronger than SSJ Goku AND dodging Cell's hits.Why do you have him weaker than those two? -SSJ2 Gohan only 20% stronger than FP Cell?He took Cell's punch on the face,without fazing.
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sayain saga
~Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo~ Raditz: 1,200 Piccolo w/weighted clothing: 320 Piccolo w/o weighted clothing: 408 Piccolo, (Special Beam Cannon) [1st Try]: 1,330 Piccolo,(Special Beam Cannon) [2nd Try]: 1,485 Goku w/weighted clothing: 330 Goku w/o weighted clothing: 416 Goku, Kamehameha: 924 Gohan: 710 Gohan,Angry: 1,307 ~After Battle~ Master Roshi: 139 Krillin: 206 Tien: 250 Yamcha: 177 Chaotzu: 145 ~Arrival of Vegeta and Nappa~ Saibamen: 1,200 Yamcha: 1,480
Krillin 1,750 Tien: 1,830 Chaotzu :610 Piccolo,: 3,500 Gohan: 981 Gohan,angry: 3,000
~Arrival of Goku~ Goku: 5,000 Goku,powered up: 8,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken: 16,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken times 3: 24,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken times 4: 32,000 Nappa: 4,000 Vegeta: 16,000 Vegeta,powered up: 18,000 Vegeta,Gallet Gun: 35,000 Vegeta,Oozaru: 180,000
Frieza Saga ~Gohan and Krillin vs Frieza's Henchmen~ Gohan: 14,000 Krillin: 13,000 Henchmen: 1,000 ~Vegeta vs Cui~ Vegeta: 24,000 Cui: 19,000 ~Vegeta vs Dodoria~ Vegeta: 24,000 Dodoria: 21,000 ~Vegeta vs Zarbon (Round 1)~ Vegeta: 24,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 ~Vegeta vs Zarbon (Round 2)~ Vegeta: 30,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 ~Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta vs The Ginyu Force~ Krillin,after Guru’s power up: 19,000 Gohan, after Guru’s power up: 24,000 Vegeta: 30,000 Vegeta Powerd Up 35,000 Guldo: 10,000 Recoome: 40,000 ~Goku vs Ginyu Force~ Goku: 90,000 Goku: Kaioken for Ginyu fight: 180,000 Jeice: 50,000 Burter: 45,000 Recoome: 40,000 Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Ginyu,in Goku's body: 23,000 Vegeta: 60,000 ~Nail vs Frieza~ Nail: 42,000 Freezer: 530,000 ~Vegeta vs Freezer (1st Fight)~ Vegeta full power: 420,000 Frieza: 530,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,000,000 ~Piccolo vs Frieza~
Piccolo (after fusing with Nail): 800,000 Piccolo ( fused with nail without weghits) 1,000,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,000,000 Frieza,form 3: 2,500,000 ~Vegeta vs Frieza (2nd Fight)~ Vegeta,after Dende’s heal: 2,500,000 Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000
batle on king kai planet Tien 60,000 yamcha 50,000 chaotzu 13,000
~Goku vs Frieza~ Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000 Frieza, 50% of full power: 60,000,000 Frieza, full power: 120,000,000 Goku: 3,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x10: 30,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x20: 60,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
Trunks arrival
Cybrog frizea 155,000,000 King cold 130,000,000 Base trunks 3,500,000, Ssj trunks 175,000,000 Piccolo 2,000,000 Vegeta 3,000,000 Tien 800,000 Krillain 500,000 Yamaha 400,000 Chaotzu 100,000 Goku 4,000,000 Ssj goku 200,000,000
3 years later
Goku 6,000,000 Trunks 5,200,000 Vegeta 7,500,000 Tien 3,000,000 Krillain 1,500,000 Yamcha ,1,000,000 Chaoztu : 500,000 Piccolo 175,000,000 Andriod 20 pre absorption 120,000,000 Andriod 20 post absorption 160,000,000 Andriod 19 pre absorption 90,000,000 Andriod 19 post absorption 140,000,000 Goku ssj 300,000,000 Trunks ssj 260,000,000 Vegeta ssj 375,000,000 Andriod 17,400,000,000 Andriod 18 400,000,000
Piccolo fused with kami
Piccolo with weights 300,000,00 Impercet cell: 290,000,000 Piccolo without weghits 350,000,000 Piccolo full power up 400,000,000 Andriod 17 400,000,00 Andriod 18 400,000,00 Impercet cell post absorption 500,000,000 Andriod 16 500,000,000
Semi perfect cell
Semi perfect cell 900,000,000 Tien tri beam 600,000,000 Base vegeta 10,000,000 Ssj vegeta 500,000,000 Assj vegeta 1,500,000,000 Base trunks 9,000,000 Ssj trunks 450,000,000 Assj trunks 1.375,000,000
Perfect cell
Ascended vegeta 1,500,000,000 Perfect cell suppressed 1,800,000,000 Vegeta final flash 2,000,000,000 Ussj trunks 1,800,000,000 Base goku 12,000,000 Base gohan 9,000,000 Mssj goku suppressed 1,800,000,000 Mssj gohan suppressed 1,350,000,000
Cell games
Piccolo: 1,600,000,000 Tien 5,000,000 Krillin 3,000,000 Yamcha 2,000,000 Choaztu 1,000,000 Base trunks 11,000,000 Ssj trunks 550,000,000 Assj trunks 1,650,000,000 Base vegeta 12,000,000 Ssj vegeta 600,000,000 Assj vegeta 1,800,000,000 Mssj goku full power up 2,400,000,000 Perfect cell powerd up 2,400,000,000 Mssj gohan full power up 1,800,000,000 tired mssj goku 1,800,000,000 Cell jr 2,400,000,000 Ssj2 gohan 3,600,000,000 Cell full power 3,000,000,000 Bulky full power Cell 3,500,000,000 Super perfect cell 3,500,000,000 Super perfect Cell kamehameha 4,000,000,000 Ssj2 Gohan kamehameha 3,000,000,000 Ssj2 Gohan full power kamehameha 5,000,000,000
-Piccolo can't be 3500.Nappa took him down with one blow.Besides,he stated that Enraged Gohan>Him.So,he's less than 3000.I'd say 2500. -Cui would be better at 18.000.He said that Vegeta was supposed to be equal to him,and,right after that,the reading went to 19.000. -Zarbon is at 21.000,at most,considering the beating he took from Vegeta. -Why do you have Kuririn and Gohan at Ginyu Force at 19 and 24 k?They were stated to be over 10 k,which means they were a little over that.If they had the numbers you say,they would be stated to be close to 20 k. -Jeice and Burter are too high,considering the beating they took from Goku of 60 k supression.Lower them to Recoome's level. -Vegeta was pretty close to Frieza's 530 k.Raise him to 500 k. -Piccolo with weights was even with Frieza's second form.Of course,it is possible that Frieza's statement about his initial supression at 2nd form being 1 mil was a bluff,since Vegeta says so.Therefore,your estimation here is not necessarily wrong. -Vegeta post zenkai must be higher than Frieza's 3rd form,since he was sure he could win. -I think the gap between SSJ F.Trunks/Mecha Frieza should be higher,since Trunks was sure he could beat easily both Frieza and Cold,at the same time. -The gap between F.Trunks/Yardrat Goku is too small.Goku finger blocked Trunkses sword attack. -The gap between Goku/Vegeta at Androids Saga is too big. -Piccolo dominated 20 post.Their gap can't be that low. -Piccolo's light grenade isn't necessarily stronger than 3,5x special beam cannon,since it requires less time to be charged.But,it's definitely stronger than 2x demon flash.Yet,Imperfect Cell didn't even budge.I have Imperfect Cell post humans at 5x Piccolo. -Semi Cell less than 2x Sixteen?He took a punch on the face from Sixteen and it was like nothing happened.And Semi Cell wasn't even at full power at that point. -How can Perfect Cell supressed be only 20% stronger than Vegeta?He took a kick on the neck like nothing.He must be at least 2x Vegeta. -Vegeta's final flash must be >>Perfect Cell.If it was only slightly above,as you have it,it wouldn't have destroyed Cell's body. -USSJ Trunks is stated to be stronger than Perfect Cell supressed,by a wide margin.Yet,you have them equal. -You have humans at Cell Games 2x stronger than at Androids Saga.Seriously,how did they get such a boost in two weeks,without rosat or anything special? -SSJ Gohan was both stated to be stronger than SSJ Goku AND dodging Cell's hits.Why do you have him weaker than those two? -SSJ2 Gohan only 20% stronger than FP Cell?He took Cell's punch on the face,without fazing. there not to low that list were the official power levels for sayain to frizea saga. plus a character in cell saga/android doesn’t need to be 1000 times stronger just to be notilcbely stronger in the frizea saga characters weren’t overpowered just to be ahead,goku was only 30 million gap from frizea but in the Magana he beats him easily so power difference between piccolo and android 20 or perfect cell and vegeta are pretty much accurate . Also assj is 3 times stronger than normal ssj ultra ssj and mssj is 4 times stronger and ssj2 is 2 times that of ultra ssj and mssj so its around a 400 times multiplier
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Goku was 33,3/100 stronger than Vegeta,when he stomped him.So,to take full power hits without fazing,the gap must be even bigger.Your Piccolo/20 and Vegeta/PC gaps are too low.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Bulky full power Cell 3,600,000,000 Super perfect cell 3,600,000,000
These 2 shouldn't be equal.
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Bulky full power Cell 3,600,000,000 Super perfect cell 3,600,000,000
These 2 shouldn't be equal. I think spc has the same power but greater speed than his bulky form I don’t think they would have made spc cell any stonger because you to have take in a account that in a ssj2 goahn vs. spc cell fight it would resemble that of ss2 gohan fight with bojack or bulky cell since bojack is based just after the cell games so probably has the same power as spc.
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Bulky full power Cell 3,600,000,000 Super perfect cell 3,600,000,000
These 2 shouldn't be equal.
I think spc has the same power but greater speed than his bulky form I don’t think they would have made spc cell any stonger because you to have take in a account that in a ssj2 goahn vs. spc cell fight it would resemble that of ss2 gohan fight with bojack or bulky cell since bojack is based just after the cell games so probably has the same power as spc. It's stated in Cell's guidebook bio that his post-zenkai form is his "strongest existence."
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I'll comment on what I disagree with, from Saiya-jin to Freeza Saga:
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~Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo~ Raditz: 1,200 < Raditz is stronger than 1,200. Piccolo w/weighted clothing: 320 Piccolo w/o weighted clothing: 408 Piccolo, (Special Beam Cannon) [1st Try]: 1,330 Piccolo,(Special Beam Cannon) [2nd Try]: 1,485 Goku w/weighted clothing: 330 Goku w/o weighted clothing: 416 Goku, Kamehameha: 924 Gohan: 710 Gohan,Angry: 1,307 ~After Battle~ Master Roshi: 139 Krillin: 206 Tien: 250 Yamcha: 177 Chaotzu: 145 ~Arrival of Vegeta and Nappa~ Saibamen: 1,200 Yamcha: 1,480
Krillin 1,750 Tien: 1,830 Chaotzu :610 Piccolo,: 3,500 <It's implied that Piccolo is weaker than Gohan's masenko (2,800). Gohan: 981 Gohan,angry: 3,000
~Arrival of Goku~ Goku: 5,000 Goku,powered up: 8,000 < Stated to be over 8000. Goku,Kaioh-ken: 16,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken times 3: 24,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken times 4: 32,000 Nappa: 4,000 < Nappa is much stronger. He managed to keep up with Goku. Also forced Goku to use kaioken so he could catch up. Vegeta: 16,000 Vegeta,powered up: 18,000 Vegeta,Gallet Gun: 35,000 < Are you using a different language for the name? I'm pretty sure it's called Galick Gun (Gyarikku Ho), not that it really matters much. Vegeta,Oozaru: 180,000
Frieza Saga ~Gohan and Krillin vs Frieza's Henchmen~ Gohan: 14,000 < Stated to be around 1,500 when took out the henchmen. Krillin: 13,000 < Same as above. Henchmen: 1,000 ~Vegeta vs Cui~ Vegeta: 24,000 Cui: 19,000 < Pretty sure it's either stated or implied he's at 18,000. ~Vegeta vs Dodoria~ Vegeta: 24,000 Dodoria: 21,000 < Don't have anything against this PL, but know that you're saying that 14% difference is in the stomp range. ~Vegeta vs Zarbon (Round 1)~ Vegeta: 24,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 ~Vegeta vs Zarbon (Round 2)~ Vegeta: 30,000 Zarbon: 23,000 Zarbon,transformed: 30,000 ~Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta vs The Ginyu Force~ Krillin,after Guru’s power up: 19,000 < That's too much for the first moment of Guru's Unlock. Gohan, after Guru’s power up: 24,000 < Same as above. Vegeta: 30,000 Vegeta Powerd Up 35,000 < If I recall correctly, stated to be at 30,000 against Rikumu. Guldo: 10,000 Recoome: 40,000 ~Goku vs Ginyu Force~ Goku: 90,000 Goku: Kaioken for Ginyu fight: 180,000 Jeice: 50,000 < Nothing indicates that Jisu is so much stronger than Rikumu and Bata. Ginyu pretty much talked as if they were all around the same range of power. Burter: 45,000 Recoome: 40,000 Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Ginyu,in Goku's body: 23,000 Vegeta: 60,000 < It's implied that Vegeta is stronger than anything Jisu scanned before (180,000) judging by his reaction to it. Although I may be forcing this. ~Nail vs Frieza~ Nail: 42,000 Freezer: 530,000 ~Vegeta vs Freezer (1st Fight)~ Vegeta full power: 420,000 < Should be stronger than this, he still held his own against Freeza, although sweating and breathing heavily. Frieza: 530,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,000,000 < Initial 2nd Form Freeza should be over 1,000,000. ~Piccolo vs Frieza~
Piccolo (after fusing with Nail): 800,000 Piccolo ( fused with nail without weghits) 1,000,000 < Showed to be stronger than 2nd Form Freeza. Frieza,form 2: 1,000,000 Frieza,form 3: 2,500,000 ~Vegeta vs Frieza (2nd Fight)~ Vegeta,after Dende’s heal: 2,500,000< Implied to be stronger than 3rd Form Freeza. Managed to save Gohan from Freeza's finger beam. Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000
batle on king kai planet Tien 60,000 yamcha 50,000 chaotzu 13,000
~Goku vs Frieza~ Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000 Frieza, 50% of full power: 60,000,000 Frieza, full power: 120,000,000 Goku: 3,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x10: 30,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x20: 60,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
Those are the ones I don't agree with.
There are others, but I feel they're up to opinion / assumption more than anything, so no reason in pointing them out.
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nappa stated at 4000 piccolo is actually stated to be 3500 vegeta cant be over 2,500,000 or then he wouldn’t have easily been killed by frizea so easily if krillan or gohan was only 1500 then how did punch and kick dorida of his feet vegeta power up before fighting recome so is above 30,000 vegeta 420,000 is enough to give frizea 1st form some difficulty jecice is stronger its official not opinion
Also not forgetting that these power levels are official
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vegeta cant be over 2,500,000 or then he wouldn’t have easily been killed by frizea so easily
Then,lower Frieza's 3rd form to 2.000.000
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nappa stated at 4000 piccolo is actually stated to be 3500 vegeta cant be over 2,500,000 or then he wouldn’t have easily been killed by frizea so easily if krillan or gohan was only 1500 then how did punch and kick dorida of his feet vegeta power up before fighting recome so is above 30,000 vegeta 420,000 is enough to give frizea 1st form some difficulty jecice is stronger its official not opinion
Also not forgetting that these power levels are official
I don't give a rat's ***** if they're official. They contradict what's STATED in the manga, which is the authority in power, not anything else.
Nappa fights almost evenly with an 8,000+ Goku. Goku said it would've taken all day without the Kaio-ken. Someone at half his PL is not going to do that.
Gohan's Masenko at 2,800 is stated to be the highest power from the good guys.
Krillin and Gohan attacked Dodoria by surprise. It doesn't factor in defense or PL, unless you want to claim Piccolo is stronger than 50% Freeza on Namek.
After the power-up Vegeta was stated to be "about 30,000." He cannot be over.
420,000 would get stomped. Vegeta basically stalemated 1st Form Freeza.
Jeice is not stronger. That is opinion. They were all stated in the manga to have about the same level of power.
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vegeta power wasnt that close to frizea first fight because the writers wouldnt have quote him saying about krillain gohan and him ganging on him this basicly means he cant do it alone.
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